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The Worst Sales Call of 2012

  
  
  

In 2012 our consultants attended 438 live sales calls. Two weeks ago, we participated in the worst sales call of the year.  I thought I would share this story with you. I hope to help you avoid some mistakes.

The story begins with the EVP of Sales of a large technology company.  He hired our firm. The purpose of the engagement was to understand why The Challenger Sale was not working. In 2011, this company replaced its Solution Selling methodology with The Challenger Sales approach.  Why?  The performancworst sales calle delta between its top performers and average performers had grown too large.  The belief was if all the reps became “Challengers” the revenue per rep would jump.

We asked the EVP which rep best represented the model.  He told us that “Erick” was a true Challenger.  He produced the output of an online test “Erick” took, proving he is a Challenger.  His quota attainment figures are outstanding.   

Erick is our test case.

Erick met our consultant at the Marriott Marquis Times Square.  Over coffee, Erick described the agenda for the day.  We were going to meet an existing account in the morning. The accounts software subscription was up for renewal in 5 months.  The goal of the call was to grow the account by expanding the use of the software.

During the cab ride, our consultant probed Erick to understand these Challenger behaviors.  For example, Erick’s test results revealed he had a “deep understanding of the customer’s business”.  In addition, the test suggested he “teaches the customers something new”.   Lastly, Erick’s test results say he “understands the customer’s economic drivers”

Erick’s answers to our questions were surprising.  As we approach the location of the call Erick told us the account:

  • Was a bank
  • Made money by loaning money
  • Was moving everything into the cloud

Okeydokey!

It took 25 minutes to make it through lobby security.  We are off to a bad start by being late.  Sally, the EA to “Joe”- SVP of IT for the Investment Banking Division, greets us. Up the elevator we go.  We get off on floor 42. Joe shows up, everyone shakes hands, and the call begins.

Joe: “I am glad to see you guys today.  I have a few things I need from you.  But before we get to that, your email said you have something for me?”

Erick: “Joe, I have an idea on how you can improve your business. Our banking customers are using our technology to reduce the time it takes to approve commercial real estate loans. Our research shows that real estate developers chose who to bank with based on how long it takes for loans to get approved. If we get the loan officers using the app, we can shrink your loan approval time by 30%”.

Joe:” Erick, I work for the Investment Banking Division.  We don’t make real estate loans. We raise capital and provide M&A advice for our clients. What are your iBanking customers doing?”

An average rep would be pretty embarrassed at this point, but not Erick. He is a Challenger. He lets this credibility damaging mistake roll off his back.

Erick: “Sure.  90% of the financial services companies in the US are our customers.  Let me tell you about how we helped State Farm Federal Credit Union.”  I could not make this up if I tried.  This was like watching a car accident in slow motion.

Joe interrupts him, “Did you say State Farm Federal Credit Union? Hearing how you helped a credit union is of zero interest to me. That is like comparing Apple to a Cisco. Both are in the telecom space but give me a break.     

Listen, I have 45 minutes left.  I don’t have time to teach you about my business. I have some questions I need you to answer.”

Joe was right out of central casting - a pure New Yorker.

He continues, “My problem is I have to deliver a 360 degree view of the customer.  Your product is one piece of the puzzle.  What else do I need to buy, and from whom, to make this happen?”

Erick’s body language suggests he is done challenging Joe today.

He is supposed to have a “deep understanding of the business”. He must be able to “teach the customer something new”. Erick responds with:

Joe, I am not sure I understand the question.  Can you explain what you mean?”

Joe takes a gulp of coffee from a nasty Styrofoam cup. It is as if he is taking a shot of tequila from a Senor Frog’s shot glass. He wipes his chin with his oversized fist.  He responds, “Do you E-V-E-N know what a 360 degree view of the customer is?”

Erick: “Sure I do.”  This is what we in the business call a Sammy Davis Jr.  This is when a rep tap dances around a question.

Joe: “Oh yeah. Give me some examples of data elements I would need to capture to provide this to the LOB.”

Erick: “Ok. Email address, telephone number, physical address, Twitter handle, LinkedIn profile, and so on”.

Joe, scoffing:  “You forgot the transactional data, credit score, NPS, payment history, and about a thousand other things.  This meeting is a waste of time.  You guys walk in here telling me you can solve my problem and you cannot.  You can solve a piece of my problem.  And when I ask for help with the other pieces, you cannot help me.  You only care about selling your piece.  Where does that leave me?  Shit out of luck. It means I have to spend time, which I don’t have, figuring it out on my own. You guys are beautiful. All sizzle and no steak.

I am going to hire an SI.  I will let you know who we go with, probably Accenture or Deloitte.  You can deal with them.”  Yelling through his office door, Joe screams “Sally, take these guys downstairs for me.”

Yikes. Into the cold autumn air we went. 

Here are three lessons we shared with Erick and his company from this experience:

  1. Categorizing reps into profiles by having them take an online test does not work.  Humans are far too complex for some simple tool like this.  Understanding talent is far too important.  Do it right.
  2. If you are going to “challenge” your customers you better be up for it. Your customers know their business better than you ever will.  “Insight Selling” better be, well, insightful.
  3. Understand success depends on execution above all else.  The new approach might look great in a power point deck. But how will the field do the work?  Focus less on the new approach and more on driving its correct use.

We advocate using a common sales methodology / process / approach.  The Challenger approach is worth considering, as are others.  Be careful.  Success requires a lot more than reading a book and attending some workshops.

 

 

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Comments

Being thrown out of a Sales Call, after giving a Challenger Insight, means you did it completely wrong! 
 
Of course, the Rep did NOT give a Challenger Insight! 
 
The Rep, although a performer, does NOT behave as a Challenger. 
 
The moral of the story,  
the Sales VP is an idiot!  
 
Thanks for highlighting the hopelessness of on line Sales "Typing", and the clear insight of Sales Field Accompaniment! 
 
Challenger Selling (and all other “types” of selling) are about what you DO,  
not who you think you ARE. 
Posted @ Monday, November 26, 2012 6:46 AM by Brian MacIver
I have had worse calls to me. I was called by a company who wanted to sell meeting booking services. He passed my first tollgate question: How do you describe what we do/sell? When i asked my second tollgate question; Why shall I meet you and not one of the other 20 companies calling me? Then he said; "Please hold for one minute". I sat waiting for one minute, and then he came back and said: "Sorry, I got a call on the other phoneline...." 
 
Epiq Failure!
Posted @ Monday, November 26, 2012 7:21 AM by Bernt-Olof Hellgren
Entertaining and sobering all in the same post. Getting an appointment with an EVP in investment banking and then failing to demonstrate a thorough understand of their business, especially for an existing customer who was presumably at least 7 months into their subscription, is unacceptable. Forget clear understanding, how about vague understanding?;-) What a lost opportunity to add value while growing the account. Bet the customer uses the next 5 months to find a replacement. If your client is lucky it will just be a replacement AE that the bank is looking for and not a replacement supplier!
Posted @ Monday, November 26, 2012 7:37 AM by Rick Noel
The Worst Sales Call for 2012 is a great example of what can go wrong. 
 
McKinsey discovered that most Solution Selling implementations have not been successful. I think that's because the top 20% of the Reps could make Solution Selling work, but not the other 80%. 
 
I'd like to hear from people why the Challenger Sale won't go the same way? 
 
My view is that the Challenger Sale is easier to pull off, because it can be more scripted. But I'd like to hear from others. 
 
To get started I thought that I'd share a view from Geoffrey Moor in an article that appeared in the 2009 HBR ‘In a Downturn, Provoke Your Customers.’ 
 
"Should every sales call your company pays from now on be a provocative one? Probably not, unless you are a start-up focused on one offering and one target market. Provocation based sales cycles—though much quicker than solution sales cycles—are resource intensive, so only a few can be run in parallel; the method makes most sense when a significant business opportunity is at stake. Keep in mind that careful research and preparation are needed before the sales team even begins to engage the customer." 
Posted @ Tuesday, November 27, 2012 8:58 AM by Michael Harris
Michael - Thanks for inviting our opinion. The example Greg used is a great example of misunderstanding what it means to challenge and we agree with his assessment that you’ve got to be careful how you implement Challenger. While we haven't seen the McKinsey piece, there's little doubt that's the case. As with any good sales method, the degree to which sellers intelligently (and with discretion) apply the principles are the final determinant. In this case, the seller clearly failed to do the due diligence and tailor his message (which may or may not have been the right message). Challenger is often misconstrued with "being confrontational" with a customer or prospect. For those who truly know the method, this is far from the core ideas of teaching, tailoring, and taking control. 
 
We'd argue that the Challenger mousetrap is a better mousetrap than others, but ultimately what happens in the field matters most. I think this is a great case in point where the field actions clearly didn't align to the method. 
 
Regarding Moore et al point of preparation, we couldn't agree more. Our research clearly showed that tailoring an insight matter tremendously. Simply calling on a customer and sandblasting with a script (as what happened to our friend Erick on his sales call above) is not Insight Selling or Challenger Selling. I wrote a post on how Challenger account plan, which gives some good detail into the nature of prep that true Challengers we've interviewed articulated. You can find that here: http://www.executiveboard.com/sales-blog/how-challengers-account-plan/
Posted @ Tuesday, November 27, 2012 4:37 PM by Nick Toman
I'm puzzled, if Erick is this crappy and this was his "typical" approach. How was he achieving such great numbers? Numbers don't lie (well maybe short term numbers do),despite this horrible sales call..."His quota attainment figures are outstanding." What had he been doing SO right before you guys arrived on the scene?
Posted @ Wednesday, November 28, 2012 8:11 PM by Mike Glennon
Great dialogue everyone. A few comments on your comments: 
 
1- Erick's numbers were outstanding because his company did a poor job of matching the potential of his territory with his quota. Right place at the right time. 
 
2- Michael you ask a great question. Look for an attempt at an answer in a future post on this blog. 
 
3- Nick thanks for pointing us to the account plan. A question: are reps really using this? My experience is that account plans are like New Year's resolutions. Everybody makes them but no follows them.
Posted @ Thursday, November 29, 2012 3:19 PM by Greg Alexander
Mike, I have the same question. "Erick" must have been doing something right to have such great numbers. What was it?
Posted @ Monday, December 31, 2012 2:18 PM by Nicole
Hey Nicole, apperently Erick's territory was so good that despite becoming an example for "Worst Sales Call of the Year" he was able to achieve outstanding numbers. 
 
If this is the case, I think it is pretty obvious there is a lot more wrong with Erick's organization than the failed execution of the Challenger sales approach. 
 
This company does not understand the value of their territories, they do not understand how to set quotas and they have no idea who is and isn't performing in their organization. They have a lot of problems to fix before they go looking for excuses on the front line. Can you say "missing the forest for the trees"? :) 
 
Happy New Year everyone! 
 
MG.
Posted @ Monday, December 31, 2012 2:32 PM by Mike Glennon
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